Murderers penalties

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@Nightmare I do not want to remake WT to UO, I do not remember how it was karma system . Аt this stage the game is close to Darkfall.

Each system works some more effectively others not so. The systems are not to be observed by all, and by the majority. It's like driving. If the road has a limit of 80 kilometers. you decide whether to follow or not. If you want to drive with 200 OK, Nobody tells you with what speed to drive, but if drive over 80 you will be punishment. You decide.

Have to think of Golden Mean. Can not please everyone, but most...and these are PvE. But as I said and @Daniel36 very soon they got last level of development, it will get tired.

As for the problem with "peaceful" thieves.

Can always resolve. Yes more difficult than to separate servers, but if want the game to have a long life, separation is not the way...

Green zone:

In this zone, Players can not be killed unless they are punished (red name). Can be built only basic and small dominium. Buildings can not be destroyed. In this zone can not build some advanced buildings and siege weapons.

Thus new players are protected. Those who want to play PvE also have the option, but if they want rare resources must go to danger zones or to buy them from other players. Also, if they want to grow more, they have to move and build in other zones.

• Player with dominium in this zone can not build and use siege weapons

• If player with dominium in this zone kill someone, then its buildings can be destroyed, for a certain time, and he might be killed in the protected zone (his name and dominium turns red).

• If player with dominium in this zone is killed by someone, for a certain time, he can kill, his attacker without its buildings become destructible. (his name remains normal) – revenge

• if he wants to attack some castle, it must declare war, and must pass for example 48 hours before he can attack. By The announcement of war, his buildings can be attacked (during those 48 hours that he can not begin to attack). Also, after the war ends (lasts a certain time 48 hours), its buildings can still be attacked for certain time(12h). - All time is indicative.

• With the declaration of war,he can build and use siege weapons. All time is indicative.

• Buildings decay - Low

Yellow zone:

In this zone, everyone can be killed, but the murderer suffers punishment, if not proceed to no penalty. Can be built only basic, small and large dominium. In this zone can not build a brick wall ...

• Declaring war - after 24h can attack.
• Buildings decay - AVERAGE

Red zone:

In this zone, everyone can be killed, NO penalty. Can be built all dominium and buildings.

• Declaring war - after 12h can attack.

Buildings decay - HIGHT

For Yellow and Red zone can be added and other things. May in some zones walls and buildings to have more durability and so on. May have special buildings that are only for defined zones.

P.S. Of course these are all proposals, you decide what how and why

That is an incredibly good and detailed idea, basically the same what I was thinking, but much better thought out! You should make this a seperate thread for it!

i think the pvp its good as it is, making penalties. or pvp by zone or time. will afect thos players who cant play the whole day. its a survival not a farmville. either join a pve server. or find the way to survive the pvp ones. there must be better ways to fix the xploits. but pleas enot red or yellow zones. i've seen this in other games and it didnt work. ..
people allway find the way to cheat when the is pvp by zones. ;)

People will always find exploits regardless.

But this idea is not about fixing exploits, it's about bringing players with different playstyles together.

The player base isn't huge, and right now the player base is being split.

Yes, it's a survival and not a farmville, which is why after playing for a while the pve people may get a little bored. It's also not a murder and pillage sim, which is why maybe the pvp people will get frustrated after a while.

Which is why Shadow and I are putting ideas to paper to give people a chance to enjoy a different playstyle on the same server, with the same character, should they choose.

And we are not suggesting making pve areas and making pvp areas, we are suggesting making areas where killing is not possible but where it is also not possible to upgrade your Dominion very far, and areas where you can get a lot of rewards (ore and such) and where you can build bigger Dominions, but where you can also be killed.

Shadow also didn't make his map that way by accident. If you look at it, you can't quickly flee to the safe area from the pvp area. There is a large yellow area in between them. Yes, there will be people hanging out on the border between green and yellow, but they will never get to the good stuff that way, and if they kill someone in the yellow area, they won't be safe in the green area anyways, as per the suggestions.

So it pays to go into more dangerous areas, but if you don't want to, you don't have to. Right now, it is either full pvp, or full pve, but there are probably a large amount of people who want both.

And I am pretty sure that most of the diehard pve people wouldn't mind it if their Dominion stayed small, just as much as the diehard pvp people wouldn't mind if there were safe areas. The pvp people and pve people would probably live mostly seperate, but there is a chance of meeting each other and I think that is a really good idea.

Zones.. .meh........ the game is going to die like rust and ark without any penalty system, people did not just run around crazy killing and murdering, without any penalty, in real life.... might as well let this idea go about penalty system, it doesn't get attention, so unfortunately....kind of a big thing, but zones are uncool in my opinion. Game is getting attention in the wrong places at the wrong time, going to end up being another "could have been" for me and allot of others

If you read Shadow's post, he does in fact include the penalty system in it, so your ideas are not getting no attention, but rather they are added into other ideas.

Maybe you dislike zones, but I am thinking the "safe" zones should be really small in comparison, so you could go through the game without ever having to enter one of the safe zones.

I think the safe zones will quickly end up becoming villages, which I don't think is a bad thing, it adds some player built diversity to the vast wild lands.

And everything is up for discussion. If you have good counterideas, by all means share it with us!

@guti Imagine it like this:
There is a kingdom in which territory has laws of the king. The more away from the kingdom, the less are complied and respected these laws. The idea is one server that offers something for every player. If you think of another way to bring together PvP and PvE players without zones, give suggestion.

Do not look at the zones like something bad. Even if there are no separate, there are always zones. A place on the map has more minerals, the other forest, desert and so on. There are always zones and there will be. As in each zone has differ environment. why not to have and differ rules for killings, construction, etc.

Now:
On PvE has 2665 registered players - average 40 player online
On PvP has 1107 registered players - average 18 player online

What is good in PvP (server) to play with only 20 players.

Tomorrow there will be a guild(zerg) and razed entire server because it can and nothing can stop them. There will be people who will say why you not go in this guild or find, more big or just create one. It is the same... Imagine that a month you build something and lose everything and have to beginning from scratch. How many times you will start ... How many players will start again and how many will quit. Probably most will quit. Now someone will say, this is normal PvP. Yes, but the game exists only if there are enough players to maintain the server(game) alive. Each one is important and contributes to the live of the game (server). So the idea is a one server (PvP, PvE, GvG, ZvZ...) and everyone to decide what he wants to do,

I'm not complaining, I'm just witness how all hard PvP games die. First, because the hard PvP players are less and second, because there are no rules. Penal system etc.

There no one that can pointing a game with such a system and say why not worked. There is no perfect system. There is no one that is respected by all players. But without such... The good thing in this time is that we can learn from the mistakes of others. To take the good things and these are things that affect most players. There will always be unhappy ...

My view is that first to create penal system, secondly, need to think of a way to crearte a server that offers all kinds of game (PvP, PvE, GvG...). Let there has hard PvP servers, there is no worse, no one is against it.

Zones i feel will turn it into albion grindline

There needs to be some type of system, Safe zones, will allow basically griefers, as you can build here on ths very small percentage or land that is offered and it cannot be sieged, yet these same people can go out attack, kill, loot, plunder, raid, and siege other people, so it would not be at all fair for anyone to build on it.